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Hydrogen Powered Train for Ontario

by Joshua Liberles on October 3, 2007

hydrogrentrainca Hydrogen Powered Train for OntarioPremier Dalton McGuinty of Ontario, Canada, has been in discussion with local train manufacturer, Bombadier, about installing a hydrogen-powered train in the province. The first line would run along the much-traveled Toronto to Montreal corridor.

The concept of a hydrogen-powered train has also been pursued in Denmark, where a train is slated for launch in 2010, as well as in Japan, where the goal is to have a hydrogen commuter train within the next 20 years. There has been enough global interest in hydrogen-powered railways that Spain is set to host the 4th annual International Hydrail Conference in 2008.

There are two primary reasons why hydrogen power has been viewed by skepticism. A significant amount of energy is required to break water down into hydrogen and oxygen. Currently, that energy is supplied by traditional, dirty technology (think: coal or petroleum). That’s part of the reason Bush has been so quick to back it. The other shortcoming is the huge infrastructure that would need to be installed to allow hydrogen automobiles to conveniently refuel throughout the country.

A train, traveling a set route along a fixed track takes care of problem #2. Additional infrastructure would be similar to any refueling system. And as for problem #1, there are other proposed, greener solutions for generating the power.

The obvious question becomes: is there any reason to use clean energy to make hydrogen, or would it be more efficient to directly power the train with this energy? Although it’s always great to hear of plans for new, greener mass-transport, as Clean Break is quick to point out, McGuinty’s announcement came in the midst of an election campaign. Perhaps talk of hydrogen-power and the much-ballyhooed “water emissions” is just to give McGuinty the green guise he seeks.

Courtesy of our friends at EcoGeek

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1 saxsux January 19, 2008 at 9:54 am

Just because there’s a correlation, it doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a fact; I could draw a graph of pirates against global temperatures, and use it to “prove” that a decline in the pirate population is the cause of global warming.
Having said that though, I agree with what you’ve said. Keep up the good work! :)

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2 Stephen January 19, 2008 at 4:58 pm

The relationship is linear, you’re just looking at the data wrong. Look at it as % walk, cycle, public transport vs. %obesity:
[img]http://theheards.org/stephen/images/obesity.png[/img]
and you can linearly graph the data with a R-squared value of 77%, which is really good for real world data.

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3 njh May 17, 2008 at 5:15 pm

You could equally conclude that obesity causes people to not walk as far (which certainly seems more plausible :) . But I agree with the conclusion (obviously for other reasons), that the most effective diet plan is to sell your car.

The way to test causation is to introduce ‘interventions’, whereby you change the believed cause and see whether it has an effect. So, for example, if you can find a city where people have switched from cars to PT/bikes in a short period of time and show that health has improved, you could make a stronger claim, or alternatively, a plce where health went down the tubes as a result of a large mode-shift away from PT. I do not know of any strong examples of the former, but perhaps shanghai is a good example of the latter?

Even better if you have a comparable experiment in the opposite direction: a place where obesity increased for other reasons, and a mode shift occurred. Perhaps Samoans, whose weight is a sign of social standing (sitting?) have changed their mode in the last 100 years, but not had a change in average BMI.

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